(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[7200]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[US Open Round 4 - Kuo Yin (3p) vs Yongfei Ge (7d)]PW[Kuo Yin 3p]PB[Yongfei Ge 7d]DT[2008-08-07]EV[US Open]RO[4]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Todd Heidenreich]C[Violence [?\]: Lots of pro ama action today
Gosnake [6k\]: hello peoples
Yoseki [3k\]: see if amas stand a chance ;0
jankenpopp: they do.
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[pq]
;W[dq]
;B[do]C[Principe [2d\]: yong fei ge is storng =)
]
;W[co]
;B[dp]
;W[cp]C[Principe [2d\]: ooh
Principe [2d\]: we will be seeing some avalanche maybe
]
;B[eq]C[uuffy: he's contemplating
]
;W[dr]
;B[dn]C[Yoseki [3k\]: i neve played avalanche... ;{
]
;W[er]
;B[fq]
;W[bm]
;B[pk]C[Principe [2d\]: looks interesting
]
;W[mp]C[Laeme [2d\]: I once played avalanche while on the next board two strong players were playing it too, so I could copy some moves ^^
Francisco [3d\]: lol
Francisco [3d\]: I had never heard thar in my life
Principe [2d\]: lolz
jankenpopp: lol wow
jankenpopp: good use of your surrounding
Laeme [2d\]: yeah, it was a crazy coincidence
daXvinci [2k\]: l4?
jankenpopp: go really does help!
]
;B[op]
;W[jp]
;B[ko]C[Laeme [2d\]: also, was an important game, so I was pretty happy with that ;)
Laeme [2d\]: never knew if it was legal
uuffy: lol mad cheap
jankenpopp: lol looked down upon
uuffy: might as well bring a joseki book
jankenpopp: but i think even joseki books are allowed
Laeme [2d\]: nah, only in hikaru :P
USGO1 [-\]: Feng Yun 9P and Yilun Yang 7P are in the room observing the games this morning.
Aokame [2k\]: hello there, besides the pros, whos conidered on this congress to be strongest ama?
jankenpopp: hmm really? probably depends on the tournament.. i dont think any tournament explicitly denies the usage..
Yoseki [3k\]: i think Ge is the storngest
Aokame [2k\]: why?
lazy [?\]: you asked for an opinion, and got one ;p
Yoseki [3k\]: he's playing on board 1
MssrBlanc [4k\]: Bi Jang is the highest rated.  
]
;W[kp]
;B[mo]
;W[jo]
;B[lo]C[Aokame [2k\]: perhaps reputation, or style like park joong wook is considered strongest at egc
]
;W[lp]C[MssrBlanc [4k\]: I don't know if there's any agreement
Principe [2d\]: all the amatures are very strong
Aokame [2k\]: Bi Jang is which board?
jankenpopp: 4
Aokame [2k\]: thx
MssrBlanc [4k\]: was it yongfei ge who won last year?
jankenpopp: yes
Aokame [2k\]: what u think about this fuseki?
Aokame [2k\]: b o-4
]
;B[km]C[Gizensha [1d?\]: w k4 looks strange
Gizensha [1d?\]: the group i mean -_
Gizensha [1d?\]: -
Aokame [2k\]: but strong shape
Yoseki [3k\]: next point for W?
Bierce [1d\]: f5 my guess^^
daXvinci [2k\]: h3
jankenpopp: tenuki
USGO1 [-\]: You can check out the current results for the tournaments at the 2008 US Go Congress at the following URL: http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/
Bierce [1d\]: hmm if tenui ws stones will get under acute pressure not good i think
]
;W[jm]
;B[jl]
;W[im]C[Violence [?\]: haha
]
;B[kk]C[Violence [?\]: black's wall not looking so good
Aokame [2k\]: now f-5?
Violence [?\]: f5 ?
Yoseki [3k\]: B left getting under attack?
]
;W[fo]
;B[fn]
;W[go]C[Yoseki [3k\]: textbook lol
Principe [2d\]: b is in big trouble
Aokame [2k\]: y, but strong
daXvinci [2k\]: huge b moyo
Principe [2d\]: b can sabaki but the cut is huge
royalty [3d\]: it's still hard to say if he's in big trouble since black has huge moyo
uuffy: well if he doesn't die, he's ahead
Aokame [2k\]: too open moyo, no prop for a pro
Aokame [2k\]: o-5 aji...
USGO1 [-\]: Both players today are very precise with the stones, placing them quietly and then straightening them.
Altair [7k\]: e4?
]
;B[ek]C[Aokame [2k\]: straigtening?
Aokame [2k\]: h*
daXvinci [2k\]: wao
jankenpopp: considering feng yun and yilun yang are watching and taking pictures
daXvinci [2k\]: w e4 is alot of points Oo
Violence [?\]: Black makes an offer to white
Gizensha [1d?\]: :)
Violence [?\]: Deal or No Deal?
jankenpopp: i guess they made a deal before hand to play cleanly :P
Yoseki [3k\]: indeed
]
;W[hk]C[Violence [?\]: No Deal!
Gizensha [1d?\]: making a photo game
daXvinci [2k\]: w want more ^^
Yoseki [3k\]: H9 is juicy point tho
royalty [3d\]: is there eurogotv on them?
jankenpopp: no..
Gizensha [1d?\]: no
]
;B[cl]C[royalty [3d\]: okey, just would have made sense if they wanted to pose
]
;W[qp]C[royalty [3d\]: here it comes
]
;B[qq]C[daXvinci [2k\]: that i will see
Gizensha [1d?\]: probe? o.o
]
;W[rk]C[jankenpopp: well seems like this board isnt the only one making it look clean.. "USGO2 [-\]: occasionally reaching out to straighten the last played stone" 
]
;B[qk]C[Bierce [1d\]: b surely forces w to invade early
]
;W[rj]
;B[rl]C[Principe [2d\]: b doesnt have that much cash
]
;W[qf]C[daXvinci [2k\]: s7 o5 agi 
Legendary [1k\]: i thought yang yilun is playing in the open
Bierce [1d\]: right corner worse 35 points i would say
daXvinci [2k\]: how big is e4?
daXvinci [2k\]: 20 points?
Bierce [1d\]: just count nobody will do something else
USGO1 [-\]: Yang Yilun is not playing in the US Open, he is playing in the North American Ing Masters, which is going to be having its fourth round this afternoon at 3pm PST.
Legendary [1k\]: ahhh ok. thx
]
;B[qh]C[daXvinci [2k\]: cant ^^
daXvinci [2k\]: but its too early to play there correct?
progodan [15k\]: they may be getting the big moves first i think
Violence [?\]: I think E4 is closer to the value of 25 points
Almdudler [3d\]: w is a ninja
beetle [2d?\]: today's ING master game is at 3pm PST< not 7pm?
USGO1 [-\]: Yes, because many of the stronger players enjoy participating in our Pair Go Chamionship, which is always Thursday evening, we are going to be starting Round 4 of the NAIM at 3pm PST.
beetle [2d?\]: thank u for letting us know
MyNation [1d\]: E4 isnt so large...even if balck connects white can defend at G3 and save many of his points
MyNation [1d\]: i would say its closer to 15 points
Almdudler [3d\]: about 40pts
MyNation [1d\]: why??? you think if black protects he can destroy the whole bottom side?
Bierce [1d\]: 40 p to much
progodan [15k\]: has no one played here for a while?
Yoseki [3k\]: pretty long read for W
uuffy: e4 probably 20-25 yeah
]
;W[qd]
;B[qc]C[mimi [5d\]: gyfcat FTW
]
;W[pe]C[uuffy: why do ur friends have such weird names mimi
]
;B[rd]C[mimi [5d\]: because they're made of WIN
royalty [3d\]: ko it is
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;W[re]
;B[qe]C[Bierce [1d\]: and a big ko^^
]
;W[rm]
;B[ql]
;W[qd]
;B[od]C[antonino [4k\]: connect? ko is toooooo big ^^
]
;W[rh]
;B[qi]C[royalty [3d\]: he won it once already
]
;W[ri]C[antonino [4k\]: arf that's far from my level ...
]
;B[sl]C[LEGAN [8k\]: e4
Stoepsel [-\]: e4 is huge...
ikami [1d\]: s17 would be really more effective than connect but this is risky
mimi [5d\]: Ge yong Fei I salute you~
uuffy: e4 is gonna be the resign move lol
calgacus [?\]: B has a lot ofpoints
USGO1 [-\]: http://www.usgo.org has updated pictures of the top 4 boards broadcasting LIVE from the 2008 US Go Congress in beautiful Portland, OR
calgacus [?\]: "Beautiful Portland" lol
egad: e4e4e4
calgacus [?\]: The Congress could be in Chernobyl for all the players care about nature.
uuffy: e4 not worth 30 pts
egad: e4 is about the same territory as black has on right corner
Bierce [1d\]: e4 20 points maybe
]
;W[qe]C[uuffy: so neither would play it right now
egad: however the ko is about as much as e4
uuffy: what corner
uuffy: i see a quarter of the board
]
;B[fc]C[Yoseki [3k\]: nobody want to play E4 ;+}
Bierce [1d\]: e4 one points that one one propose they are to strong for such moves*g*
]
;W[mc]
;B[nc]C[egad: blacks to right corner is not really settled
]
;W[md]
;B[rc]C[egad: sente is more important than a gote at E4
Bierce [1d\]: j17
]
;W[oe]C[Articuno [-\]: wouldn't h17 be alittle better if you're going to pincer?
uuffy: c14
]
;B[cf]
;W[df]
;B[dg]C[egad: p 15 too slow?
uuffy: it was a must though
Bierce [1d\]: articuno:hmm but h17 is to far away from n17 so you would have to spend another move protecting ther which would mean a loss so j17 would be better but not n17 stones are connected so situation changes
]
;W[ef]
;B[ce]
;W[cd]C[Bierce [1d\]: not=now
]
;B[gd]
;W[ec]
;B[eb]
;W[fd]
;B[fb]C[uuffy: e4 right after this gets settled
]
;W[db]C[Articuno [-\]: ah, j17 just feels a little too close for my tastes, but im just a lowly sdk anyways =)
]
;B[cb]C[Articuno [-\]: to the m17 stones
Bierce [1d\]: ^^ normal from 2 stones you extend 3 space inbetween
]
;W[ea]
;B[cc]
;W[dc]
;B[bd]
;W[cg]
;B[ch]C[royalty [3d\]: punishment
]
;W[bg]
;B[bf]C[egad: ummmm
]
;W[gc]
;B[fe]
;W[ed]C[royalty [3d\]: e4 becoming large after this
egad: wonder who will get the top
Bierce [1d\]: yes should be larges here after
LEGAN [8k\]: w
]
;B[eg]
;W[ff]
;B[fg]
;W[gf]C[royalty [3d\]: white's top
]
;B[eo]C[melmac: yup eve me see this now
Dragonette [6k\]: can white honestly expect anything on the lower right corner?
ekku [-\]: he can expect to die
Dragonette [6k\]: that's sort of what I was thinking
Dragonette [6k\]: that's a big corner
Bogoliubon [2k\]: he can expect to exploit 05 weakness
]
;W[lm]C[Dragonette [6k\]: looks like that's his plan
]
;B[kn]
;W[ll]
;B[kl]
;W[mj]C[Articuno [-\]: =/ B's beautiful lower right
ekku [-\]: can w really get out?
ekku [-\]: or is this just a reduction?
Dragonette [6k\]: N10 seems safe enough but black could kill M7 I think.  Costly though either way
]
;B[li]
;W[mi]
;B[lh]C[Dragonette [6k\]: I guess black thinks he can kill it all
]
;W[lj]
;B[kj]
;W[oi]C[ww [1k\]: b want to use g16 aji
]
;B[nl]C[KVschool [9d?\]: how is yongfei ge doing in this tournament? what is his score?
indianayk [5d\]: 3:0
Dragonette [6k\]: he's in the lead atm
lubricated [5k\]: high scoring game
KVschool [9d?\]: wow
KVschool [9d?\]: nice
KVschool [9d?\]: did he beat some pro?
lubricated [5k\]: q11 sente with the o16 cut?
MssrBlanc [4k\]: he beat juyong koh..dunno if he is pro
]
;W[ml]
;B[nm]
;W[bl]
;B[ck]
;W[bk]
;B[bj]C[MssrBlanc [4k\]: koh is 3p
ikami [1d\]: koh is not pro
ikami [1d\]: he is 8d
Bierce [1d\]: ? why does it say 3p
Dragonette [6k\]: according to usgo he's 3p
ikami [1d\]: maybe 3p lvl
flyingfox [7d\]: usgo is wrong
lubricated [5k\]: theres no way hes 3p
ww [1k\]: why theres ama 7 and 8d in usa but not in eu
Nano [3k\]: ill bet usgo is right
Snaga [1d\]: eu weak
Snaga [1d\]: only 6d
lubricated [5k\]: hes getting owned roo hard
lubricated [5k\]: too*
egad: europe dan is harder to earn
ikami [1d\]: because 7d AGA is 5d eu ?
Articuno [-\]: aga dan ranks are less strict
lubricated [5k\]: h17?
lubricated [5k\]: oe is h17 aji keshi
lubricated [5k\]: for b
Anberlin [6k\]: lubricated, he is 3p
MssrBlanc [4k\]: congress webpage lists koh as a 3p--that's all I based it on
]
;W[mb]C[Anberlin [6k\]: just search him on google or something :
Anberlin [6k\]: :s
uuffy: there's no 7d in eu at all right
uuffy: like it's not just rare
kimball [4d\]: why play there, b has 2 possibilities, better not touch at the moment
Bierce [1d\]: there are 7d in euopr
Bierce [1d\]: like christian pop
egad: a sente
uuffy: do they give out 7d ranking
Bierce [1d\]: or ilja shikshin
lubricated [5k\]: se is too nie to w
lubricated [5k\]: nice, soeey typing with 1 han
lubricated [5k\]: fd
lubricated [5k\]: d
Anberlin [6k\]: lol
Bierce [1d\]: in some country dan ranks are nominated in some you define youre rank youre self in europe
lubricated [5k\]: yes... i declare myself 4p
kimball [4d\]: then give me h2 and let us play for money
Almdudler [3d\]: 4p can give 4d 6 handi :p
USGO1 [-\]: In the AGA, the ratings which are listed (7d 8d 9d) are their computer ratings for the purpose of the tournaments.  The AGA is working on producing rank certificates but they haven't happened yet.
kimball [4d\]: i must confess i'm 6d, but not very good at hispeed iternet-go
Almdudler [3d\]: :o
Almdudler [3d\]: 6d GoR?
kimball [4d\]: not sure what gor means
Almdudler [3d\]: gorating
kimball [4d\]: yes
Almdudler [3d\]: a number that defines your rank...
Bierce [1d\]: kimball has been a couple of times german champion if i remeber right
kimball [4d\]: yup
Almdudler [3d\]: cool
]
;B[if]C[kimball [4d\]: in my good old day, befoe i've started golf
aburry [4k\]: pro games are like ginger, the heat builds slow and steady
Articuno [-\]: you play golf?
kimball [4d\]: this is a good way to exploit te aji around g 17 without playing it
Articuno [-\]: What's do you shoot usually?
kimball [4d\]: small white dimpled balls called titleist
Bierce [1d\]: no small black lenses?*g*
Bruno5940 [16k\]: hey lubricated why do u think yin kuo isnt 3p?
Almdudler [3d\]: rank != strenght
]
;W[bi]C[kimball [4d\]: hmm, why there now?
]
;B[bh]C[egad: couldn't blakc play a10?
kimball [4d\]: w wants to fight around g 13 if  b resists
kimball [4d\]: if a10 b must defend left after g 13 or face the cut at c10
lubricated [5k\]: bruno i think that because b is playing very well against him
Articuno [-\]: lub, did you see the 2nd board for the EGC today?
lubricated [5k\]: no
Articuno [-\]: 7d ama lost to 5p by only 1/2 point
Articuno [-\]: it happens
ikami [1d\]: who was th e 7 d ?
Bierce [1d\]: /dn in europe is considered as weak pro in strenth
Bierce [1d\]: 7 dan
mlnmiles [1d\]: Bierce, not likely
kimball [4d\]: it was 1 point, not 1/2, but still a good game for ilja shikshin
MssrBlanc [4k\]: Also, I'm not sure why Ge is listed as a 7d,--he's a strong aga 8d
mlnmiles [1d\]: Bin from kgs is 7d as well
mlnmiles [1d\]: he;'s like 4p
USGO1 [-\]: The players began the match with 2 hours basic time.
mlnmiles [1d\]: check the european database:)
flyingfox [7d\]: ge is last year's us open winner
USGO1 [-\]: Time Check - W: 37 minutes remaining, B: 84 minutes.
kimball [4d\]: what will w do now? defend h16?, not easy to find a good point with all the aji there
Capsule [3d\]: lol B still has 84 min?  impressive.
flyingfox [7d\]: i hope he repeats
ikami [1d\]: yongfei ge play his last game very gast too
ikami [1d\]: i think
]
;W[pb]
;B[hd]C[lubricated [5k\]: wow
lubricated [5k\]: doesn't white sort of have 1 eye there
sljfie [15k\]: tenuki?! thats dan level for ya...
ikami [1d\]: :S without thinking 1min
sljfie [15k\]: ya...
lubricated [5k\]: q18 kills outright
Bruno5940 [16k\]: where did white play?
]
;W[gb]
;B[ob]C[Violence [?\]: p19 ?
USGO1 [-\]: Yin has left the table for a bathroom break.  Ge immediately played his last move when Yin left the table.
x6er [6k\]: is it a handi game?
pwoner [3d\]: lol
USGO1 [-\]: Yin has returned to the table.
Bruno5940 [16k\]: the time stops right?
ikami [1d\]: no
]
;W[oa]C[Bruno5940 [16k\]: so the time still counts when he leaves for a bathroom break?
USGO1 [-\]: The time does not stop.  The Tournament Director is the only person with the authority to stop the clock.
ww [1k\]: how much time does each player has ?
Bruno5940 [16k\]: ok thanks
ww [1k\]: ve*
]
;B[pc]C[ww [1k\]: still left
USGO1 [-\]: Time Check - W: 31 minutes, B: 83 minutes.
calgacus [1d?\]: see Toilergate,com
calgacus [1d?\]: toiletgate*
]
;W[nb]C[kimball [4d\]: nice yose there
lubricated [5k\]: usually bruno when 1 player gets up the other one will take advantage and get up as well because its the other players clock that is ticking
]
;B[qb]
;W[oc]C[Bruno5940 [16k\]: hmm makes sense
luckytiger [?\]: flower-viewing ko :)
lubricated [5k\]: not so sure lucky
lubricated [5k\]: w needs this to win the game maybe
]
;B[nd]
;W[ne]
;B[ob]C[luckytiger [?\]: but w has lots of big ko threats, such as around the lower right corner
kimball [4d\]: you do not win or lose that kind of ko but take profit from it, however, w is ahead in this game i thimk
]
;W[np]C[kimball [4d\]: good threat
lubricated [5k\]: b has internal threat no?
vlades [1k\]: for living yes, 
Motie [?\]: I the corner lives W doesn't have a lot of points
vlades [1k\]: but painful to play
lubricated [5k\]: b k6 good threat?
kimball [4d\]: living small might not be enough to win here
]
;B[no]
;W[oc]
;B[sb]C[lubricated [5k\]: there is only 1 move...
Almdudler [3d\]: yay lub
Almdudler [3d\]: 5d troll
lubricated [5k\]: ?
lubricated [5k\]: ??
Almdudler [3d\]: :<
luckytiger [?\]: w can get more points easily with either J15 or R10
TanGeng [2d?\]: so white has to win this ko?
lubricated [5k\]: yes this is why i say it isn't a flower-viewing for white
kimball [4d\]: think, w will tenuki now, continue the ko later
Almdudler [3d\]: play 2 big moves is more than enough
Bierce [1d\]: why ?
kimball [4d\]: since b gave way by t18 already
lubricated [5k\]: n has many good threat, even if he lose s 19 he gets good compensation
lubricated [5k\]: b* not n
Bierce [1d\]: ic
Bogoliubon [2k\]: black has good threats?
kimball [4d\]: w already gained 1 point by making b play t 18, so the ko -value is reduced, perhaps beter to let b play 2 more moves there
luckytiger [?\]: i think it is a close game now, maybe w a point or two ahead
yoyoma [1d\]: 1 point reduced?  So now it's 25 point ko instead of 26 point ko eh?
mondik [5k\]: no, it's bigger :)
TanGeng [2d?\]: it use to be 40 points
kimball [4d\]: games of stronger players are usually decided by a few points, so this is a value certainly
TanGeng [2d?\]: countind the corner and p17 and q18
TanGeng [2d?\]: now if white fills it's only ~35?
Nano [3k\]: I feel like if w playes s19 b has to make a ko
TanGeng [2d?\]: no less 30
kimball [4d\]: the ko is around 35 points divided by 2 Moves, nothing special, the value is increasen by the cut at n 15
ikami [1d\]: remember AGA rules
yoyoma [1d\]: remember AGA rules have absolutely no impact on the strategy of this ko
Masamune [5k?\]: pause?
lubricated [5k\]: please explain aga rules to me
ikami [1d\]: no i mean for the counting of the game
TanGeng [2d?\]: the counting method usually makes no difference at all
ikami [1d\]: who is ahead or not
ikami [1d\]: AGA rules = chinese rules = NZ rules
]
;W[ra]C[yoyoma [1d\]: the winner will be the same counting by territory or area so it pretty much doesn't matter at all
]
;B[ob]C[lubricated [5k\]: yes but i heard they're different in a way
]
;W[ig]
;B[jg]
;W[oc]
;B[qa]
;W[sd]
;B[ob]C[jankenpopp: cut at n15 first then h18?
lubricated [5k\]: i dont think b can have both n15 and h18
GiantCat [-\]: (you know what's really annoying about demo games on KGS: you can't scroll back on past moves)
kimball [4d\]: cutting n 15 will invest one more move, makes it too big for b to win
Articuno [-\]: giantcat: just clone the game
royalty [3d\]: or view offline
GiantCat [-\]: these things all takes seconds and windows
royalty [3d\]: i'm sure your seconds are precious
Bierce [1d\]: giantcat is  a top lawyer getting 600 bugs per hour
Articuno [-\]: junebugs!
krakengo [1d\]: ko
detkov [6k\]: can anyone guess the next move?
]
;W[hg]C[Snaga [1d\]: yes
]
;B[kf]
;W[oc]
;B[ng]C[royalty [3d\]: correctly too?
krakengo [1d\]: i thought K14 as threat, but obviously inferior
MssrBlanc [4k\]: the ko is getting heavier for white, it seems
ikami [1d\]: w has too many ko threat this look like a fight spirit
]
;W[qj]
;B[ob]C[kuikentje [5k\]: agreed, GiantCat
]
;W[jh]
;B[kh]
;W[oc]C[makoregevr [2d\]: woa
makoregevr [2d\]: the ko of the game
kimball [4d\]: nice play by white, now k 11 and k 15 are threats too
lubricated [5k\]: k6 is good?
TanGeng [2d?\]: k11?
TanGeng [2d?\]: is that any good
TanGeng [2d?\]: you'd think black would live
kimball [4d\]: i would not bet my game on it if k 15 the k11 and cut as black
tromp [-\]: q10
Deich [5k\]: q13
]
;B[hq]C[Rocker [4d\]: deich u r here too?
bagman [4d\]: wouldn't have bet on this 1
Deich [5k\]: iam always online
Dragonette [6k\]: it's such a long shot
sensitive [4k\]: ignore this
Deich [5k\]: ignore this h3
bagman [4d\]: it is dangerous for both
Dragonette [6k\]: yeah
Jenghis [2k\]: this ko threat could be huge
Dragonette [6k\]: there's something there... but it's not certain by any means
]
;W[ob]
;B[nq]C[lubricated [5k\]: i haven't seen flyingfox play a game in ages
bagman [4d\]: oh just yose gain 
Rocker [4d\]: j3
kimball [4d\]: w says "show me"
USGO1 [-\]: white is down to 10 mins.
Masamune [5k?\]: mm
USGO1 [-\]: b still has 1hr 15 min.
kuikentje [5k\]: j3 looks good indeed
makoregevr [2d\]: w+resign
bagman [4d\]: u guys always make statements like w+r even if the game is still open
TanGeng [2d?\]: white should be able to connect if all else fails
sensitive [4k\]: connect w
Dragonette [6k\]: black Q10 was a threat?
sensitive [4k\]: yes
Deich [5k\]: w*resign
Rocker [4d\]: kui from beograd?
]
;W[hp]
;B[iq]C[Rocker [4d\]: !!!!!!1
detkov [6k\]: šta?
]
;W[hi]C[krakengo [1d\]: lol
kuikentje [5k\]: kui as in me?
USGO1 [-\]: w is safe now
krakengo [1d\]: game over
Rocker [4d\]: yeah
bagman [4d\]: well twas big
Masamune [5k?\]: jejjee
lubricated [5k\]: usgo isn't allowed to kibitz lol
kuikentje [5k\]: no, I have never been there, I'm from Belgium
Bierce [1d\]: yes w looks good now^^
USGO1 [-\]: no way
Rocker [4d\]: !!!
jankenpopp: black needs q13 to work to win?
sensitive [4k\]: h7 
sensitive [4k\]: h8 sry
USGO1 [-\]: i like to play in w here
kuikentje [5k\]: heh :)
lubricated [5k\]: i wonder why that is, maybe because he's winning ---
Dragonette [6k\]: bJ8 looks good to me
kuikentje [5k\]: are you a strong player, USGO1?
]
;B[jn]C[Jenghis [2k\]: can j8 cut?
USGO1 [-\]: no
USGO1 [-\]: i am weak
Deich [5k\]: i bet about 5dan^
USGO1 [-\]: but stronger than u
bagman [4d\]: like what rank?
lubricated [5k\]: h8 cuts maybe
Rocker [4d\]: u must be from dutch part??
USGO1 [-\]: just 1 rnak stronger
jankenpopp: what is your name usgo1?
Dragonette [6k\]: h8 cuts now, but j8 sure looked possible before.
USGO1 [-\]: top secret
jankenpopp: aha
heegaard [4k\]: nice name
USGO1 [-\]: don't ask my age
kuikentje [5k\]: yes I am, Rocker
ikami [1d\]: lol this mean you are very weak kuikentje ^^ say thx to USGO1
kuikentje [5k\]: :-)
jankenpopp: in the beginningm they told us your names :)
Dominas25 [9k?\]: whats your age?
jankenpopp: i just dont know if the usgo accounts are consistent
Miria [1d\]: ouch
kuikentje [5k\]: I need only watch the game to realize that ikami ;-)
Miria [1d\]: poor white
TanGeng [2d?\]: hmm and there's not a lot of points on the bottom either
USGO1 [-\]: w got enough
kimball [4d\]: there is a ko left around g3
USGO1 [-\]: i think
Miria [1d\]: but k4 is dead
USGO1 [-\]: no k4 is fine
ikami [1d\]: the lvl of this game is very far. if you are under 3p this doeesnt mean you are weak
lubricated [5k\]: h8 cuts you weak little USGO1
Miria [1d\]: even with the cut at either j5 or j8?
player3 [1k\]: does anybody know who (what account) will show party pro vs MoGo?
kuikentje [5k\]: I know, but the difference in skill with me is enormous
]
;W[hm]C[heegaard [4k\]: h6
]
;B[gj]C[bagman [4d\]: ^_^
Deich [5k\]: j5
Miria [1d\]: j6
lubricated [5k\]: j6 cuts something
Rocker [4d\]: i must eat 
USGO1 [-\]: w has only 5 mins. now
]
;W[hj]
;B[gl]C[ikami [1d\]: and B only 1h ?
Rocker [4d\]: what should i eat
Miria [1d\]: now it cuts
]
;W[hl]C[heegaard [4k\]: yeah
]
;B[hb]C[Miria [1d\]: the cut would endanger f6 now it doesnt
EnHoeDan [4k?\]: peanuts
bagman [4d\]: do not forget f4 is sente
heegaard [4k\]: f7 no longer atari
USGO1 [-\]: b has 1:13
GeorgeW [-\]: 1 hour 13 minutes?
Pasukaru [-\]: no cut
USGO1 [-\]: no
USGO1 [-\]: extra safe
bagman [4d\]: yeah
Dragonette [6k\]: yeah nothing here now
]
;W[hc]
;B[ic]
;W[fa]C[Miria [1d\]: yes =) the best way to win a game is without killing
Miria [1d\]: bare that in mind
USGO1 [-\]: bear
Anberlin [6k\]: kiling is so fun tho :(
bagman [4d\]: l17
Fiara [8k\]: Is it just me.. or is white winning?
Miria [1d\]: yeahyeah :(
Deich [5k\]: wrong miria
GiantCat [-\]: j16
GPO [1k\]: black's an amateur?
kuikentje [5k\]: that depends on your opponent imo, Miria
Dragonette [6k\]: black would need a miracle to win
USGO1 [-\]: yes
GiantCat [-\]: for w
USGO1 [-\]:  7d
Rocker [4d\]: w thinks he wins by a lot
lubricated [5k\]: j6 already
USGO1 [-\]: but sometimes 7d beats pro
Fiara [8k\]: Where did Kuo Yin go pro?
bagman [4d\]: i thought ge yongfei registered as 8d
GoShinobi [-\]: j6 dont work 
]
;B[pg]C[Anberlin [6k\]: fiara
Masamune [5k?\]: uy
Anberlin [6k\]: in china
Fiara [8k\]: Hrm.
Rocker [4d\]: kgs 6d can beat pro!
GODude08: hiiiiii u r all cool and we al like GO!!!!!!
GODude08: that was random........
Dragonette [6k\]: I like this
lubricated [5k\]: this isn't AIM ok godude...
sensitive [4k\]: only 1 move
Bruno5940 [16k\]: lol anberlin
GODude08: whuz dat....AIM I ve never heard of that?
tromp [-\]: r13
Rocker [4d\]: r13
ikami [1d\]: B try to win by time or there is a special plant what i cant understand
Jarudin [7k\]: /offtopic aol instant messenger
Anberlin [6k\]: hi bruno
Anberlin [6k\]: it was in china tho rite?
bagman [4d\]: plant lol
DeepTuna [2k\]: Possible troll sighted, set phasers to stun
GODude08: ok thx
]
;W[pj]C[kimball [4d\]: just q10
Deich [5k\]: r13 works, riht: nice:)
]
;B[qg]
;W[rg]
;B[gn]C[Chaos00o [8k\]: anyone know where the mogo game is going to be held on kgs?
Masamune [5k?\]:    mmm
jankenpopp: check the computer room
kuikentje [5k\]: it's going to be on top of the active games tab, probably
jankenpopp: also im sure kgs will put it up
bagman [4d\]:  
jankenpopp: on top of active games
]
;W[ho]C[Chaos00o [8k\]: ty
ikami [1d\]: why j6 didnt worck ?
Chaos00o [8k\]: so anyone here going for the computer?
Jarudin [7k\]: j6 g6
]
;B[ci]C[kuikentje [5k\]: I'm looking forward to it as well =)
]
;W[gq]C[Pasukaru [-\]: because of g3 ikami
]
;B[gr]C[heegaard [4k\]: nice ko
]
;W[fr]
;B[gp]C[Chaos00o [8k\]: Im pretty sure it doesnt stand a chance, but, Ive got a bet going with some friends
]
;W[fp]C[PowerP [3d\]: is the mogo game 19x19?
]
;B[ep]
;W[gq]C[Rocker [4d\]: w is being extra chicken to secure his sure lead
]
;B[lr]C[Chaos00o [8k\]: yeah, on 3000 processors.
kuikentje [5k\]: it depends on the handicap it gets
Dominas25 [9k?\]: usgo, do you know which name will be demonstrating it?
kuikentje [5k\]: in an even game, it would be trashed
heegaard [4k\]: connect
kuikentje [5k\]: but they're looking for a fair handicap, so both have a chance of winning
kimball [4d\]: if you play for big money you are trained to win safely
USGO1 [-\]: w is in byomi now
]
;W[kr]C[Masamune [5k?\]: l2
]
;B[gp]C[GODude08: who is the best Go player here?
Rocker [4d\]: ko like a man
lubricated [5k\]: roln ^^
Chaos00o [8k\]: that would be me, a mighty 8th kyu =P
bagman [4d\]: flying fox
og [9k\]: me
Rocker [4d\]: no
]
;W[ji]C[PowerP [3d\]: probably kuo yin
bagman [4d\]: well he is not here
G0g0l [1d\]: who call me?
]
;B[gq]C[Dragonette [6k\]: we decided earlier this wasn't a threat didn't we?
heegaard [4k\]: biiig threat
Chaos00o [8k\]: man I swear I;ll never understand how these high level games end up looking so insane.
Dragonette [6k\]: K11
kimball [4d\]: now this threat comes to life, lets see if b can live
Rocker [4d\]: oysy oyster is probably the stongest at the moment , after me
Masamune [5k?\]: ok better who is the best go player in the world?
]
;W[mf]C[heegaard [4k\]: mogo
kuikentje [5k\]: this game has been pretty "clean" since I've been watching it Chaos
Masamune [5k?\]: xD
]
;B[mh]C[Chaos00o [8k\]: well I just tuned in,
Chaos00o [8k\]: XD
Chaos00o [8k\]: and it looks odd,             
kuikentje [5k\]: pretty nice moves, hard to see, but rather easy to understand most of the time
aron666 [8k\]: p12 
Chaos00o [8k\]: not as organized as Im used to seeing games from 8th to 6th kyu
aron666 [8k\]: k18 
kuikentje [5k\]: hehe :p
G0g0l [1d\]: j15 k15 
GODude08: has anybody noticed that almost all of blacks pieces can be made into 1 big chain?
Jarudin [7k\]: I think they're chaotic because they always try to play the biggest move instead of finishing a nice shape
]
;W[jd]
;B[id]C[Dragonette [6k\]: all of his living ones
GODude08: ya
Chaos00o [8k\]: probably, jarudin.
Pasukaru [-\]: b is dying
DeepTuna [2k\]: Shouldn't B be worried about L11?
Dragonette [6k\]: but only if he connects across L2 which I don't think he can
]
;W[je]
;B[jf]C[heegaard [4k\]: b brave
Jarudin [7k\]: that reminds of a training game I saw here a while ago. The pro's stones were all connected
kimball [4d\]: b is finished, looking for a place to resign
Rocker [4d\]: killlllllllll
Dragonette [6k\]: B is worried about L11, but he can't afford to lose anything
PowerP [3d\]: yeah game over
G0g0l [1d\]: cutttttttttttttttttt
]
;W[ie]C[lubricated [5k\]: okay finished.
GoShinobi [-\]: h14
]
;B[hf]C[Chaos00o [8k\]: hurts for black.
heegaard [4k\]: b cuts too...
heegaard [4k\]: :)
Articuno [-\]: w has more to lose here
makoregevr [2d\]: b cut doesnt work
Rocker [4d\]: b is hungry he want lunch thats why hes not spending time
Dragonette [6k\]: G 13 doesn't seem like a serious problem
TanGeng [2d?\]: white needs to connect
GeorgeW [-\]: except m3 makes a 2nd eye for w at bottom
GeorgeW [-\]: so not a big deal
]
;W[he]C[Jarudin [7k\]: uh oh :)
]
;B[gg]C[GODude08: would g 15 for w be a good move
lubricated [5k\]: n2 not m3
]
;W[ki]C[Chaos00o [8k\]: hm...
makoregevr [2d\]: omg
makoregevr [2d\]: !!!!!!
Chaos00o [8k\]: wow,
TwoCookies [1k\]: poor black
TanGeng [2d?\]: oops
pwoner [3d\]: gg
]
;B[jj]
;W[hh]C[makoregevr [2d\]: simfadori of b
lubricated [5k\]: ahem
TanGeng [2d?\]: now it's serious
USGO1 [-\]: w use up 2 overtime peroid
lubricated [5k\]: w needs another eye i thought
Chaos00o [8k\]: cant black kill that white area there?
USGO1 [-\]: b resigned here
Chaos00o [8k\]: with a bit of work
makoregevr [2d\]: w missread
Violence [?\]: Oh my god
GiantCat [-\]: j11
USGO1 [-\]: thanks for watching
Violence [?\]: Wow
Violence [?\]: What an ending
G0g0l [1d\]: ty
DeepTuna [2k\]: ....
TanGeng [2d?\]: resigned wow
Jarudin [7k\]: l3 is an eye?
TwoCookies [1k\]: thank you USGO1
makoregevr [2d\]: w resign?
Chaos00o [8k\]: black resigned? whaa?
GPO [1k\]: black loses the semeai
makoregevr [2d\]: b****
Deich [5k\]: j17 dead
kimball [4d\]: no b, big dead group
Deich [5k\]: so clear w win
Rocker [4d\]: ah this game looks a lot more like one of those 5d 6d games on KGS!
Chaos00o [8k\]: looks like white can be killed though.
heegaard [4k\]: nah
lubricated [5k\]: can't.
Snaga [1d\]: too many liberties
Dragonette [6k\]: looks deceiving
lubricated [5k\]: chaos when in doubt, read
kimball [4d\]: yes, but 5 more liberties than b
Jarudin [7k\]: white is alive I think
Jarudin [7k\]: second eye is near the bottom
USGO1 [-\]: Thank you all for watching.  Remember to join us for the next round of the North American Ing Masters at 3pm PST.
lubricated [5k\]: no there is no 2nd eye
Jarudin [7k\]: hmm, unless b plays there
Chaos00o [8k\]: I dont know, theres a ton of variables to go through,
lubricated [5k\]: w has 1 eye. but b has 0
lubricated [5k\]: no in a semeai there really isn't
heegaard [4k\]: there is no 1'st eye
kimball [4d\]: w is dead, but b is way deader
TanGeng [2d?\]: huh whend id white play k11?
lubricated [5k\]: yes there is hee
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